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toxiclover

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Posted on Oct 17, 2006

lets say that you come home from a long vacation to find that someone has broken into your house.  You go in and try to kick them out, but they wont let you.  they tell you that you cant because they have cleaned you house and made you beds.  they have also cooked you dinner and washed your clothes.  then they tell you that you must provide them and their family with health care, you must provide their children with an education.  as if this wasnt enough you have to provide them with social security benefits when they retire.  all of this cost you money that you dont have, as you are already in massive amounts of debt.  along with all of that, by the way you have to learn their language so that you can communicate with them, even though they are in YOUR home!!!  this is what the illegal immarents are telling the people in the us.  i am interested in other peoples oppinion about this issue, please post a response

rippey54rider

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Posted on Oct 18, 2006

First - I wouldn't say that your analagy is exactly an accurate representation of the current immigration system/issue.
 
That said, I personally believe that law-abiding people from any nation should be able to come to the US on a guest-worker program or work related visa (kind of like we Americans can do in Canada or Europe).  The key here is "Documenting."  Yeah, people coming in illegally and working under the table pose a bit of a security risk, but I don't believe that many truly are terrorists.
 
What people in America need to remember (full blooded Native Americans & many African Americans excluded) is that all of us are here as a result of immigration.  My Grandfather talks about how even in 1970's he would encounter German-American immigrants on his sales routes that refused to learn English...this is not just a "Hispanic" or Mexico/USA issue...it has been going on since the first illegal immigrant (Chris Columbus) arrived.

thatonekidfr...

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Posted on Jan 14, 2007

so living in southern california, i get an entirely different point of view on the whole immigration debate.
 
first off, it seems that people equate only mexicans with immigrants lately..and its because that is the biggest population of immigrants in our country, and the biggest problem. my problem with it is that society shouldnt have to alter itself to accomodate people that choose to illegally cross the border, illegally work, and illegally live here.
 
second, in my opinion (and fuck what you think), i think that one of the requirements to become a citizen in the US should be speaking ENGLISH. im sorry, but i hate driving 2 miles north of where i live and coming into areas of town where all the billboards and all the signs are in spanish. granted, im in my 4th year of spanish class so i know what it says.....but its the fact that here in california, in AMERICA, we're changing things to better help people that shouldnt be here in the first place. and dont go on and tell me "they're not all here illegally" because i know that. but the truth is, most of them are. people that have come here and gone through the process to become citizens of our country are totally fine with me..as long as they pay their taxes and dont fuck up my society (tagging, crime, gangs, all that nonsense bullshit)
 
third, look up restrictions on american people choosing to move and live in mexico. read all the bullshit that they arent allowed to do, and compare that to what mexicans moving to america can do. anything they want.
 
 
yea, sorry if i went off a bit there but i feel that its something that needs to be taken care of. come live in long beach and try to tell me otherwise.
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paolosmythe
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Posted on Jan 17, 2007

most people who have balls enuff to migrate to another country also have balls enuff to pull their own weight, pay their own bills and get a decent job.
 
the only time such a system breaks down, is when population flows and dispersals are skewed by uneven border restrictions to / from a country or when quotas are implaced to cause illegal migration.  open boarders and let the population migrate where it will and a natural balance will prevail
 
of course americans who foolishly believe they live in 'god's country' are too selfish to consider such a libertarian approach (yes i know i generalised)
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Mr.OK_L00king

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Posted on Jan 23, 2007

If not the wet-backs,
who ever will pick our beloved tomatoes?!


J3LLYB3AN3R

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Posted on Jun 20, 2007

 
OK DICK FACE... AS IF YOU DIDNT KNOW WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES DOING THE "GANGS, TAGGING, CRIME, AND OTHER BULLSHIT" THE REASON WE HAVE OUR LATINO GANGS IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO PROTECT OUR SELVES FROM ASSHOLES LIKE YOU!!! WE ARE NOT THE ONLY RACE WITH GANGS. YES WE HAVE THE MORE AND SOME OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ONES. BUT THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE WHITE, REDNECK, CRACKER GANGS OUT THERE. YOU KNOW LIKE THE "K.K.K" AND THE "NAZI"...ECT!!! YOU BASTARDS WANT TO KILL OFF EVERYONE TO MAKE "ONE PURE RACE"!!! THOSE LIL BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED DEMONS... GET THIS THROUGH YOUR FUCKING MINDS... LOOK AROUND THERE ARE NO MORE PURE RACES!!! SOON YOU ARNT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF WHO IS BLACK, LATINO, OR WHITE. WE ARE ONE BIG RACE... JUST ONE... HUMAN!!! LIVING ON ONE WORLD... EARTH!!! ALSO THINK ABOUT ALL THE BLACK GANGS OUT THERE... THE "CRIPS, BLOODS, BOTTOMBOYS,...ECT" YOU DONT THINK WHITE AND BLACK PEOPLE ARNT ALSO A BIG PART OF THE SHIT THAT GOES DOWN IN AMERICA??? 60% TO 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN JAIL AND PRISON ARE BLACK!!! ABOUT 30% ARE LATINO AND THE REST ARE WHITE!!! YEA WE TAGG BUT ATLEAST OURS ARE ARTFUL AND HAVE MEANING!!! BLACKS AND WHITES JUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY THINK IT MAKES THEM BADASSES!!! WHEN THEY REALLY JUST LOOK FUCKING STUPID!!! MOST OF THE RAPEST IN AMERICA ARE WHITE!!! YES WE HAVE OUR STUPID NASTY PERVERTS BUT SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!!! AND THE SHIT ABOUT IMMIGRATION??? WHAT THE FUCK??? WE LATINOS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY!!! WE BASICALLY ONLY STARTED COMMING HERE IN THE LATE 1800S TO 1900S!!! WHILE YOU WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMMING HERE FOR CENTURIES!!! AND THE BLACK PEOPLE??? YOU GUYS FORCED THEM TO COME HERE FOR SLAVERY!!!  AND THEN WHEN YOU GUYS WENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA AND YOU TAKE SOME OF US LATINOS FOR SLAVES TOO!!! YOU WHITE TREAT ALL US COLORED PEOPLE LIKE SHIT... NO WONDER WE DONT GET ALONG!!! WE TRY TO GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE BUT YOU JUST DONT WANT TO TRY WITH US!!!. MOST IMMIGRANTS ACTUALLY DO PAY THEIR BILLS, FILE TAXES, AND TRY TO LIVE A STRAIGHT LIFE BUT THEN THERE ARE THOSE SOME WHO GIVE US THAT BAD REPUTATION OF LEACHING OFF THE GOVERNMENT. ALOT OF US TRY TO BECOME CITIZENS AND LEARN ENGLISH... BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE ARE WHITE PROPLE HERE THAT DONT EVEN KNOW ENGLISH EITHER!!! SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL??? AND YES HAVING TO LEARN ENGLISH IS A REQUIREMENT TO BECOME A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. I DONT ARGUE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ENGLISH... BUT SERIOUSLY MAYBYE YOU SHOULD STOP AND THINK THAT MAYBE THE LATINOS ARNT THE ONES WHO WANT TO CHANGE AMERICA, BECAUSE WE LIKE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS, MAYBE JUST MAYBE ITS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE THAT THINK WE WANT TO CHANGE IT. LOOK BETWEEN THE LINES AND OUT OF THE BOX AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND...
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paolosmythe
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Posted on Jun 21, 2007

i tried to read that post.... honestly i did.
 
i got about half way thru and gave up.  my eyes hurt, and besides, i think i got the jist.
 
people will group together by similarity, in which ever way is easiest.  it is natural.  there are huge ethnic communities where i live and not necessarily dictated by colour, but more by language.
 
there is one long lasting divide however, that i would actively promote and you seppos ought to as well;
 
class war!
 
 
hate can be a negative and destructive thing ONLY if you let it.  otherwise, it can be an energetic motivator!
 
before you hit out at the easy to recognise targets, such as those of a different colour; look at those issue that really piss you off and then decide who is to blame.
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inivibes
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Posted on Aug 23, 2007

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I went searching for myself and found only God."
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C_BABEE

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Posted on Mar 13, 2008

I DONT AGREE WITH YOU AT ALL FIRST THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE PEOPLE JUST LIKE US
AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND YOU SEE HISPANICS DOIN JOBS THAT US LAZY AMERICANS DONT WANT TO DO S HOW ARE THEY TAKIN OUR JOBS AWAY WE DIDNT WANT THEM! AND WELL YEAH YOUR JUST WRONG REALLY YOU BASTARD!
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xMaraudeRx

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Posted on Mar 13, 2008

Posted by J3LLYB3AN3R
 
OK DICK FACE... AS IF YOU DIDNT KNOW WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES DOING THE "GANGS, TAGGING, CRIME, AND OTHER BULLSHIT" THE REASON WE HAVE OUR LATINO GANGS IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO PROTECT OUR SELVES FROM ASSHOLES LIKE YOU!!! WE ARE NOT THE ONLY RACE WITH GANGS. YES WE HAVE THE MORE AND SOME OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ONES. BUT THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE WHITE, REDNECK, CRACKER GANGS OUT THERE. YOU KNOW LIKE THE "K.K.K" AND THE "NAZI"...ECT!!! YOU BASTARDS WANT TO KILL OFF EVERYONE TO MAKE "ONE PURE RACE"!!! THOSE LIL BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED DEMONS... GET THIS THROUGH YOUR FUCKING MINDS... LOOK AROUND THERE ARE NO MORE PURE RACES!!! SOON YOU ARNT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF WHO IS BLACK, LATINO, OR WHITE. WE ARE ONE BIG RACE... JUST ONE... HUMAN!!! LIVING ON ONE WORLD... EARTH!!! ALSO THINK ABOUT ALL THE BLACK GANGS OUT THERE... THE "CRIPS, BLOODS, BOTTOMBOYS,...ECT" YOU DONT THINK WHITE AND BLACK PEOPLE ARNT ALSO A BIG PART OF THE SHIT THAT GOES DOWN IN AMERICA??? 60% TO 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN JAIL AND PRISON ARE BLACK!!! ABOUT 30% ARE LATINO AND THE REST ARE WHITE!!! YEA WE TAGG BUT ATLEAST OURS ARE ARTFUL AND HAVE MEANING!!! BLACKS AND WHITES JUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY THINK IT MAKES THEM BADASSES!!! WHEN THEY REALLY JUST LOOK FUCKING STUPID!!! MOST OF THE RAPEST IN AMERICA ARE WHITE!!! YES WE HAVE OUR STUPID NASTY PERVERTS BUT SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!!! AND THE SHIT ABOUT IMMIGRATION??? WHAT THE FUCK??? WE LATINOS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY!!! WE BASICALLY ONLY STARTED COMMING HERE IN THE LATE 1800S TO 1900S!!! WHILE YOU WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMMING HERE FOR CENTURIES!!! AND THE BLACK PEOPLE??? YOU GUYS FORCED THEM TO COME HERE FOR SLAVERY!!!  AND THEN WHEN YOU GUYS WENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA AND YOU TAKE SOME OF US LATINOS FOR SLAVES TOO!!! YOU WHITE TREAT ALL US COLORED PEOPLE LIKE SHIT... NO WONDER WE DONT GET ALONG!!! WE TRY TO GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE BUT YOU JUST DONT WANT TO TRY WITH US!!!. MOST IMMIGRANTS ACTUALLY DO PAY THEIR BILLS, FILE TAXES, AND TRY TO LIVE A STRAIGHT LIFE BUT THEN THERE ARE THOSE SOME WHO GIVE US THAT BAD REPUTATION OF LEACHING OFF THE GOVERNMENT. ALOT OF US TRY TO BECOME CITIZENS AND LEARN ENGLISH... BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE ARE WHITE PROPLE HERE THAT DONT EVEN KNOW ENGLISH EITHER!!! SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL??? AND YES HAVING TO LEARN ENGLISH IS A REQUIREMENT TO BECOME A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. I DONT ARGUE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ENGLISH... BUT SERIOUSLY MAYBYE YOU SHOULD STOP AND THINK THAT MAYBE THE LATINOS ARNT THE ONES WHO WANT TO CHANGE AMERICA, BECAUSE WE LIKE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS, MAYBE JUST MAYBE ITS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE THAT THINK WE WANT TO CHANGE IT. LOOK BETWEEN THE LINES AND OUT OF THE BOX AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND...



It's silly kids like you that piss people off with your gang talk.

People are people, and should be treated as such. Stupid ass racial gangs are what really push peoples' patience. You can "rep your hood" without Demeaning slurs, Acts of Crime, and silly rants like this. Most of the time, the immigrants come because they are seeking a better life for themselves and thier family. They work, they clean, and they usually don't complain. NY was trying to pass a law giving immigrants a liscense, just so they could work and provide for thier family. It may be illegal to live there, but that doesn't mean we have to look upon other human beings with disgust and hate.

Secondly, Unless you are going to Take action against racism and violence, don't speak as if you're magically going to change the world.

Cleaning up your town of Stupid Graphiti and violence can be helped by volunteering aide to those who need it.
We spent an entire day white washing most fo downtown, and you know what? Even gang members and people of all ages came out, grabbed a brush, and helped the cause.

Give 'em a Chance.

Blame the Man, Man.


P.S. And the only thing I blame immigrants for, is bringing me dirty weed. Silly Teenagers, Drama is for kids.
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aznamy17

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Posted on Mar 18, 2008

 
 
Yes, Immigration today is a huge problem. Sure, they are very helpful. Like C_BABEE said they 'DO' do things that some of us lazy Americans wish not to do. And they do do it for a very low price. I totally agree that they should be treated as Human beings because the truth is that that is exactly what they are. They should be given the same rights as us also. But then I agree with the opposing side because here we have education requirements for jobs which are now in higher demands. Here we have Americans who are going to school, getting their education, paying their tuition...just to get jobs and to persuit their goals. But the fact of the matter is that we now have competition between the non-educated illegal immigrants who are willing to work double and paid less. Now tell me if that is fair? We were taught that education is important yet those who work hard for their education are being turn down because they are un-willing to work for a cheap price.
 
I understand both sides but i believe that we are not TRYING to stop immigrants over-all in general. But we are trying to prevent an over-flow of illegal immigrants because Americans are losing jobs that they fairly earned.
 
I mean who doesn't want to receive good labor and only have to pay a small price?
That's our problem. One minutes we want to hire them because they are more affordable but then the next we complain over the fact that we are losing our jobs to them.
 
We shouldn't take it out on the illegal immigrants. We should take it out on the ones who are hiring them and the ones who are luring them in.
 
That's just my opinion...feel free to disagree.
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xMaraudeRx

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Posted on Feb 05, 2009

Well, I just don't like those Mexicans.


I blame them for being the reason Marijuana's Illegal.

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